natal-cruiser

[Lord Philemon]

[admin]

if the original is destroyed it will be lost completely. but the copys will fight until the end of class-battle and for each lost copy you will loose points too so you could loose some thousand points with only one natal cruiser in your fleet if the enemy has 60 cruiser for example

[peace of love]

fleet "attacker"
1 interceptor
80 cruisers
1 ms

fleet "defender"
850 commandofighter
1 natalcruiser

--> about 10000 points lost ???

[Lord Philemon]

And what happens when two fleets with one natal-cruiser each fight against each other?

-------------------
your class 3 against enemy class 3:

~ natal cruisers destroy ~ ships



~ natal cruisers destroy ~ ships


score: 0

:wink:

[ This Message was edited by: Lord Philemon on 2002-08-31 19:55 ]

[Lord Philemon]

@Peace: 850 commando-fighters + natal? Hm... cool combination

[Dougster]

Hmm, I had one description of a natal battle from one of you admins in irc, but it seemed different to this one.

Is it better to have several natals?

Could we please have some more examples
ie 2 natals vs 10 cruisers
etc.

Actually I thought you only lost points for the 'real' ship I thought the clones were not point losers.

[Lord Philemon]

Me too I thought you would only lose points for the "real" ship but I also thought you could only get one copy of the natal cruiser...

It think the battle would be like this:

yours: 2 ships

2 natal-cruisers

enemy: 10 ships

10 cruisers

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your class 3 vs enemy class 3

10 natal-cruisers reassemble to other natal-cruisers
5 natal-cruisers destroy 5 cruisers


10 cruisers destroy 10 natal-cruisers

losses:
you: 10 natal-cruisers
enemy: 5 cruisers

score: -350

[ This Message was edited by: Lord Philemon on 2002-08-31 22:28 ]

[Dougster]

Hmm originally I thought it was a really cool ship, not too sure now.

[Lord Philemon]

I think it's only good for special tactics like the ones peace invents.


@admins: What would happen in a fight between just two natal cruisers? Would it have an end? Maybe a draw?

[ This Message was edited by: Lord Philemon on 2002-08-31 19:56 ]

[Dougster]

Would I be right in assuming that if a natal cruiser was shot by a warcruiser it would not reconstruct as it had -80 points???

[Lord Philemon]

I don't think so because:

[peace of love]

i think the natalcruiser is worth trying -
i think i allready got a tactic

@lord_phil: of course you are right with the endless natal-fight.. thats was observed well

@admin: maybe a natalcruiser can morph all other natalcruisers to normal cruisers when it shoots ???
havent still learned the modifiers

[Dougster]

I think one natal vs one natal would end in a nil all draw, but 2 vs 2 could be a problem.

[peace of love]

ok, i talked with the admin bout the natal-cruiser...

i seemed it is not planned that it should have beserk (=shoots till it is destroyed)
i got that one wrong so there is no endless battle and i dont have a tactic yet...

without berserk i consider it too expensive !!!!!
with beserk it must be discussed: 1 ship can destroy a whole class but you gotta pay for it (the twice cruiserprice!!).
with beserk it should have the function ("if shoots: modify all OTHER (own &enemy) natalcruisers to cruisers" - or somethink like that, to prevent endless battles.

i would like to have the natalcruiser without berserk for 45 mp or with beserk for 75mp.
i dont know whether the ship is (too ??) good orwill be played a lot, but i like it cause it is a new idea...

[admin]

no, we will change it like this:
AP/LP: 100/100
but it destroys one enemy natal cruiser (if exists) that cannot reapear

[Lord Philemon]

Wait a minute...
The natal cruiser doesn't shoot before it is destroyed?
If there is no endless battle that would mean the natal doesn't reassemble, is that right?

[ This Message was edited by: Lord Philemon on 2002-09-02 21:11 ]

[spacetrace]

too hard to balance , we drop it for now...

[Dougster]

Can I post that battle report???? you know the one I mean. Yikes.

[Lord Philemon]

@peace: Ah, now I know what you meant with berserk. (I never had that modifier before...)
But I didn't know the berserk was planned for the natal...

[peace of love]

@lord_phil: i think noone actually knows about the beserk at the moment....

but if it had 100/100 i'd let it cost 80 or 90 and with beserk at least 100....