ship balance

[spacetrace]

we discussed the balance of the ships!

( we are learned a lot due this round )

the prefered tactics is mostly based on class 1 ships. We wanna balance it. here are our suggestions, pls post your opinion ( as it is very valuable )

class 1:

strike fighter - mp=4 or mp=3
holo carrier - mp=550 (or it deployes the holo ships above itself (order of battle) )
kamikaze - destroys 3 own ships (right now it destroyes 2 own ships)

new:
penguin - mp=1 ; 2/1 ; is destroyed after combat in any case
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class 2:

destroyer - mp=8
eagle - 3/10
troika - mp=15
disable ship - sets all class one ships to 0/1 ( no special abilities ) - still in discussion

all ships that are not listed: mp -10%

new:

camouflage vessel - mp=1 ; 0/0 ( is only usefull to fool deep scan probes )
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class 3:

cruiser - mp=60
warcruiser - mp=95 ; 0/200
shock wave cruiser - mp=80 ; 0/200 ; 30 enemy and 30 own ships get 2-5 damage

all ships that are not listed: mp -20%

new:
revenge cruiser - 0/100 ; 150 mp ; destroyes 100 class 1 ships (retroactive )
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class 4:

time slipper: mp=1000 ; 250/250

new:
camouflage bulk - mp=10 ; 0/0 ( is only usefull to fool deep scan probes )


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[peace of love]

sounds good...

but the camouflage bulk should be in class3 instead of class4 - otherwise to many fleety will have a "doomstar"

peace

ps: i think big changes in the mid of this round should not be done...

[ This Message was edited by: peace of love on 2002-03-25 18:19 ]

[Frederik]

Sound very nice,


[ This Message was edited by: Frederik on 2002-03-25 19:41 ]

[ururu]

whats this, i cannot vote in the poll ???

but i think you should change it soon, cause it gives us more options

[revenge]

good stuff!

my further suggestions:

*mail spy probe
*production spy probe
*production sabotage probe (stops the production or slows it down)
*mobile transwarp-gate-building vessel
*research steal ship
*trans-warp-gate sabotage probe (disables the gates for a while or decreases the factor)
*jam probe ( scrambles the scan-data for a while)
*special forces ship ( decreases the manpower of a planet for a week)
*instable low budget reconstructor : destroyes class 1 and 2 but reconstructs class 3 and 4 (both players)

[peace of love]

no sabotage probes, i think the space and organisation is hard enough allready...

destroying other probes would be ok as this is some kind of self-defence...

peace

[admin]

i think a better name for the revenge cruiser is zyklop

brainstorm on irc:

monday:
[20:57] <dr_zyklop> and a mail spy probe
[20:57] <dr_zyklop> and a production spy probe
[20:57] <lemba> or a diplomatic vessel
[20:57] <dr_zyklop> and a transwarp block probe
[20:58] <dr_zyklop> and a production block probe
[20:58] <dr_zyklop> and a research spy probe
[20:58] <lemba> and a timetwister-probe
[20:58] <dr_zyklop> scientist kidnapping vessel
[20:59] <dr_zyklop> and a terrorist mp reduction-probe
[20:59] <dr_zyklop> (reduces the mp for a week)
[21:00] <lemba> this brings me to a quite new area...
[21:00] <lemba> terrorism
[21:00] <dr_zyklop> fanatic warfare
[21:00] <dr_zyklop> sabotage
[21:00] <lemba> zyklon-b
[21:00] <GreenDragon> highjacks a spaceship and flies it into a building
[21:01] <dr_zyklop> yes
[21:01] <dr_zyklop> steals a cruiser and makes it a kamikaze cruiser
[21:01] <wizard_oz> did u like the polymorph race???
[21:02] <wizard_oz> i have a new ship for them:)
[21:02] <dr_zyklop> polystyrol-race
[21:02] <dr_zyklop> out of plastic
[21:02] <wizard_oz> a new race for next round
[21:02] <GreenDragon> tree race :just sits there
[21:02] <wizard_oz> special ships:
[21:03] <wizard_oz> a) a ship that morphs into a ship of that class randomly before shooting
[21:03] <wizard_oz> b) a ship that morphes ships in the enemy fleet randomnly
[21:03] <dr_zyklop> dragon: tree-race-> buildings only
[21:04] <admin-of-st> morph race: but they should have some disadvantages too, cause it is impossible to fight them
[21:04] <admin-of-st> and they are porobably impossible to bplay
[21:04] <GreenDragon> Just luck when fighting ?
[21:05] <wizard_oz> c) warpmorpher: class4 0/400 300mp warp5: if started from own base brins u to random coords
[21:05] <wizard_oz> so u attack different ppl all the time:)
[21:05] <wizard_oz> and u need to get probe data
[21:05] <GreenDragon> good idea : blackholes in space
[21:05] <wizard_oz> better : if started from allied base
[21:05] <wizard_oz> stop with blackhole )
[21:05] <admin-of-st> a wormhole generator probe
[21:05] <dr_zyklop> yes... wormholes
[21:06] <GreenDragon> One hole transports you radomly to another


[ This Message was edited by: admin on 2002-03-26 23:49 ]

[ This Message was edited by: admin on 2002-03-26 23:51 ]

[admin]

please vote in the poll on top of this page, if you think it's ok to change the values of some ships right now, or you want that to wait until next round (maybe because some essential strategies depend on the current settings for the ships)
it's only about the ships discussed here in this topic.

[Dougster]

Can you still get strike fighters, cant seem to find em

[admin]

no, check the tec-tree, we found out they were boring
it's only like "all or nothing"
if the enemy has more fighters than you , then all your strike fighters get destroyed, and if you have more, then all enemy fighters are destroyed. it is not predictable, so we spared it out this time.
but there will be a substitude soon

[Hobbit]

Thank you!
I didn't like 'em...

Bye

Hobbit

[Lord Philemon]

I never really understood how they worked...