veteran players of the game are hurting the player count

[admin]

is this really a problem?

[DragonLilly]

I have noticed that the player count has been falling since I joined the game a few months ago...

I do believe that I have found the reason why this is, more experienced players are taking their advantage and knowledge over lesser experienced players a bit too far...

I can understand of having some advantage over a lesser experienced player, but guys/gals I think that its starting to get to the point of scaring new players away...

Let's take the NS war vs. the CGC... was it really necessary to have 9 experienced players vs. a 5 man new alliance that had 4 members with less then a years experience? -- why not have just kept it at around 5 or 6 members like you originally had... I would've gladly fought you all fair if you had 6 members... the 6th member would've given us a bit of a challenge but also good training and still gave you all your advantage... but why 9 players???

another thing is veteran players attacking new accounts... I've seen this quite a bit with veteran players attacking new players over and over again till they quit!!!

Does anyone have consideration for new members of ST??? Come on' guys your killing it...

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[Failtrip1]

[DragonLilly]

I seen a veteran player bashing my neighbor who was brand new to the game also when I first started... the Vet was even a newbie helper... several others seen this too... he was hitting the guy every other day...

we also know that not all new players ask for help or even know how to ask for help...

I can admit the CGC is guilty of some of this too... but we're not the only ones...

have you ever thought that the CGC does this to try and stay alive vs. the vetern players???

The suggestion that Admin is making is a good one... I'm also taking into account its affects upon the CGC...

But I feel that such an action is needed in regards to more experienced players vs. lesser experienced players...

[Connor McCloud]

BLABLABLABLA
1) you fight you learn . if you fight a "vet" you can learn from these battles but if you are to sissy to lose before you know this game , I can't help you . ( I got my a.s.s. kicked in my fist evo but I stayed and learned )
2) I started ST with arround 500 players so the drop in players was already started then . ( no CTF in those days )
The biggest problem is that new players are not willing to take / spend the time that is needed to learn this game , I have been newbie helper gave lots of advice , almost no responce from the newbs . even had my own training alliance , nothing helps when the newbs are lookin for a fast game , wich ST isn't . I spended lots of hours explaning the game and to find out they drop out before first evo is at 25% ( I sure hope it isn't because of my explanation )D ).
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[Marth Diro]

lilly, nobody wants to attack you and your ally members till you all quit!
could be that vet bashs noob happen in ST frequently, but i have to correct the fiction story you told from:
- the 9th member of NS was "it"
- 3 NS members were new players, we let them join, because we expected that WFS would help you if we start a war against CGC
- only 3 or 4 of our members went for your flag
- this was the shortest war i fought in
SO, NO BASHING OF ANY OF YOUR MEMBERS HAPPENED.

more interesting than what could happen if... is a new all including fairness pact, i think we all need it to go on playing the game.

[mjx1]

Dragonlily A. you can't go round smack talking NS and other vet alliances and then cry when they attack you B. You're the top alliance therefore people will attack as you are clearly not noobs if you got to the top alliance and people like to challenge top alliances as it's more fun and C. if there really is a problem with a vet bashing a noob then please either sort it out yourself or report it to another vet who will warn the vet in question and if he persists then he will be bashed and made an example of. In a game of 201 players or whatever it is now which uses evo you can expect everyone to know whos new and whos not and they'll just attack their closest neighbour however if you are clearly attacking a noob make it a teaching demonstration tell them what youve done to score of them and tell them how to defend from it. Experience is the only way to learn this game
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[admin]

i only wanted to know, if it could be, that newbies have a hard time or not

if we have to do something or not

[T2]

I think it is possible that abuse of a new player can and does happen, I'd also like to think it is the exception to the rule and not the normal. This applies especially to players who have been playing a number of months and are capable of taking points of new players but not so easy to get points against players with more experience than them.

The battle reports that shows the alliances that fought against each other really tells the story of how top scoring players got their points.

These records are not accessible to the ST population as a whole, therefore, A player who does abuse taking points from the starter alliances can remain somewhat anonymous.

To a brand new player, a vet could be considered someone who has joined the game just one month earlier.
Perhaps there can be made available somehow, someone who is abusing our new players.
It could fall upon the responsibility of the community as a whole to track "questionable tactics" much like we currently do with milti accounts.

Vets have the responsibility to hit new players, greet them to the game and explain how they could have avoided or lessened the damage the vet caused.
Offer to help them in their next attack against some other opponent and then warn them you if plan on attacking them again.

If the new player deas not respond in a reasonable amount of time (48 hrs) it could be safe to assume the player has already quit the game. Go ahead then clean the base if you desire.

[Orange Shavings]

[Schmolt]

[DragonLilly]

This is what I'm talking about

sensors:
hyperjumpgate detected: ***/***/**
fleet 1 from The Soldier of Fortune (ETA 5 h 31 m)

hyperdrop warning:
flight vector passes your planet:
fleet 1 from reburn of the living death (distance: 8 sectors)
flight vector passes your planet:
fleet 2 from reburn of the living death (distance: 8 sectors)
flight vector passes your planet:
fleet 3 from reburn of the living death (distance: 8 sectors)

My alliance can only see the hyperdrop... they have no clue that there is 3 other fleets coming to my base... how are we supposed to protect against this???

SO YES ADMIN, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE... YOU CAN BE THE BEST ALLIANCE IN THE GAME, BE NEW BUT THE VETS STILL PLAY UNFAIR WITH A 2 VS. 1 ADVANTAGE OVER THOSE THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN BEAT...

BY THE TIME A MEMBER LOGS IN AND ACTUALLY SEE HIS FLEET SCREEN ITS TOO LATE TO CALL FOR ASSISTANCE... BIG PROBLEM WITH VETS VS. NEW PLAYERS...

SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO OFFSET THIS... MY BASE WAS JUST BLOWN UP YESTERDAY AND I AM STILL BUILDING MY BUILDINGS... HAVEN'T HAD ANY CHANCE TO DEFEND MYSELF BY BUILDING ANY SHIPS...

PLZ ADMIN, OFFSET THE EXPERIANCE...

[Schmolt]

1.) There's a caps locks button to the left of you.

2.) You're the one in the top spot, so if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! I've never heard anyone cry so much over their position being challenged!
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[Failtrip1]

When exactly will you stop being a new player?
When exactly will you be called vet?
When exactly will your alliance stop being new?
When exactly will it become fair to you?
When exactly will your alliance stop bashing dead account?

Dont you think that taking no.1 place in alliance score board automatically excludes you from being newbie alliance?
Dont you think that being no.1 automatically makes you the hottest target?
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[DragonLilly]

POINT IS... when will veteran alliances allow a new alliance to actually be able to defend itself?

taking advantage that I'm still building buildings for crying out loud... how is this supposed to help us learn?

do you really think that I like hitting dead account? NO... I want to learn the game but the Veteran players never give the chance...

[Schmolt]

[mjx1]

[Failtrip1]

[Marth Diro]

after long time we (NS) decided to attack you a bit, maybe it's 2 months ago i fought a CGC, don't remember!!!
i thought our discussions on the forum had some results. so, my hope was to treat you as every other player here. but again this don't touch me thing
btw, my dsp still has not reached your base, so i had no idea if there are any ships at your base
seems that this attack will be easy for us, but we'll not get enough points for the journey. or are there any CGC members on the way?

play, or ask the admin for a seperate galaxy

[Inatic]